Nefarious IRCu and X3

mouselike · Idler Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 271

Indeed I wouldnt doubt it for a second ircu is quite likwly to be the sucessor for good performance out of them both and as an avid ircu fan and user of ircu i can say that woiuld be the case.

I aint trying to discourage anyone from using nef. ircd as it is a really well put together ircu and I do like it, but being bloated compared to stock plain ircd's it doesnt compare.

QuakeNet's ircu is nice alternative for those who dont want a stock ircu but some enhancements, just a suggestion for those who like ircu Smile

Sindacious · Posted: Oct 20, 2008 12:37am Post subject:

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1122

Unfortunately an ircu vs nef comparison or any other ircds for that matter in regards to handling large amounts of users or any other resource intensive need is rather moot since there is an overwhelmingly high chance that no newer network will ever grow to the size of DALNet much less UnderNet, so such a demand will never realisticlly be needed and debating over a few shaved milliseconds for smaller networks would be quite silly indeed.

While Nef is more feature rich than ircu, I really wouldn't call it bloated at all. Generally speaking, more features almost always means more code and a larger tarball but that isn't grounds for calling it bloated. It's not like Nef is crammed to the gills with useless crap that most inexperienced admin deemed required like other anonymous ircds.

ButtaKnife · none Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 38

This may be just paranoia, since the first IRC network I really remember (and subsequently was on staff for a while there) used an old version of Bahamut, which could not handle more than a handful of AKILLs. Seeing how a larger network like that with a less than optimal ircd was vulnerable, we wanted to look for a high-performance, scalable ircd when we started up our network. I would venture to guess that Charybdis and possibly even Inspircd are good enough to handle a decent load, but we couldn't argue with the proven effectiveness of an ircu-based setup.

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1122

few ircds have ever been tested in large scale outside of a controlled test environment. including charybdis and inspircd. Sure, they were likely stress tested with clones or some other form of testing software, but not in a production environment and not to the extent that ircds like hybrid, bahamut or ircu have.

This is simply because those ircds are not used on large networks but on networks with only a few thousand users and not nets with 100k+ real users.

Additionally, early bahamut is not the same as current bahamut and to be honest comparing old ircds to new ircds is rather unfair. If you compare DreamForge to nef 1.2 youd be comparing apples and oranges which isn't much different that old bahamut and current ircu.

Although as I stated before, comparing ircds based on large amounts of users in todays IRC community is rather moot since the chance of a newer net growing to have large amounts of users to start with is highly improbable.

mentor · Posted: Oct 22, 2008 6:59pm Post subject:

It's not such a moot point. Some would rather choose an ircd that has proven to be scalable vice one that hasn't.

There are also plenty of sites out there that use an IRC backend to deliver chat to their end users, which aren't indexed on sites such as this. Some of these sites are just as large, if not larger, than the largest known IRC networks. Take justin.tv for example, they started with InspIRCd but have since developed their own ircd using python.

Will most networks grow to the size of say freenode? Probably not if they plan on strictly being an IRC network. But it's not highly improbable for a community using IRC to power their chat functionality to gather a large amount of users.

darkwarrior · Lurker Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 172

That is very true mentor, many sites do use IRC but don't advertise on searchirc.. Take irc.icq.com for example.. It's running what seems to be a modified Unreal 3.2.1..

Current Global Users: 4917 Max: 12491

Unreal3.2.1. irc-m04.icq.aol.com FhXOoEmM3 [*=2304]

darkwarrior · Lurker Joined: 02 Aug 2008 Posts: 172

Nevermind, I just realized it is listed on SearchIRC..

zeke · Idler Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 325

ustream.tv does fall into this category of sites using IRC-backends, but not advertising. (Just checked the listing, doesn't appear to be there Wink

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Ezzi · Posted: Dec 16, 2008 7:52pm Post subject:

yea i use nef and X3 and i havnt had any problems with it i love it and wont go back Smile